◊ In the Echelon, it is a family of intelligent people who are respectful of lyrics, and find that it’s poetry which can be appreciated in such a way so as to support you through difficult experiences. It’s in surprising ways, even when it doesn’t literally describe your circumstance, because it’s an overview on psychological states.
◊ But it’s awkward when there are also robots and fake accounts created by AI who are going around posing as human, acting as if they hear The Kill (for example) like it’s supposed to be permission to believe in hate, and to project hate onto Jared — then they try to create that influence in the community
◊ 'The Kill' lyrics : "Come, break me down, bury me, bury me - I am finished with you. Look in my eyes - you're killing me, killing me - all I wanted was you"
◊ They act as though when they listen to The Kill it’s like Jared was trying to get them into hate and projection, probably against him, then think that’s what he feels towards them — and we should all learn from that. And this is psychological manipulation — real people don’t make those dead assumptions.
◊ The illusion that these robots are real people might make us Echelon feel as though we’re in a higher form of thought but actually it’s normal, not higher, to understand that this kind of poetry is reflective and not designed for harm.
◊ The same thing happens in all band communities. And I was so adapted to ignoring that type of negativity as part of the coMMunity of Marilyn Manson because his music is so dark, it gets so instantly spotted as toxic — then I easily drop it like a hot potato — like it’s not even there. But in the Echelon, it’s strangely bizarre when everyone’s normally positive but in a negative way when it’s fake.
◊ I’m especially disturbed by it when people do negative evil manipulation under the guise of positivity and spirituality deliberately in order to weaponize those beautiful things in life. Only when it’s totally deliberate as a weapon, though.
An Investigation of a Robot or Deepfake
The screenshots below are shared with permission from my best friend, Mary (@love_30stm_echelon), who is the pink Italian speaker on the right. Although sharing private conversations is generally considered taboo, these screenshots are her property, and she has chosen to share them because they document her own experience. The person she is speaking with has been known within the Echelon for a long time. I believe this account exists for the purpose of psychological manipulation within the community, targeting members' unique emotional vulnerabilities under the guise of being helpful. By triggering and inflaming deep insecurities, it appears to fuse those emotions with malicious fabrications about Jared Leto, gradually embedding false narratives into the psychological process. I suspect this account is a robot or deepfake designed specifically for that purpose. Its goal appears to be encouraging fully fabricated allegations against Jared by exploiting misunderstanding, projection, and unresolved suffering. It cultivates a desire in vulnerable individuals to maliciously lie about him in search of revenge — a revenge rooted in a perceived connection between their own suffering and the false narrative being constructed. See my Italian translations and commentary below.
Initial context: Nicole has another Instagram account where she promotes herself as an actress and entertainer, but here she is speaking from a fan page account largely devoted to reposting Jared Leto and 30 Seconds to Mars content. Her algorithm and social status on that account thrive on her interactions with Jared and the band. Throughout the conversation (especially near the end), it becomes apparent that Nicole had hoped her connection with Jared would become sexual by moving beyond social media.
It seems to me that after observing the behaviour of this account over time, Mary became suspicious and decided to act as a detective into possible malicious behaviour, with the intention of exposing it if her suspicions proved justified. She starts by saying "Scusa ... [translation] : Pardon me sis, but do you not support Jared and MARS anymore? Because I don't see your comments anymore." Mary struggles with attachment issues and has found emotional meaning in commenting on Jared Leto and 30STM's Instagram posts because it boosts their algorithm. She doesn't feel insecure about commenting itself, but values it as an expression of fan loyalty and support. Although the Echelon generally understand that commenting is not the definition of fan loyalty, this particular form of support resonates with Mary's own healing journey. That vulnerability becomes important as the conversation unfolds.
They have a brief conversation about Instagram's translation function, then continue. Nicole abuses Mary by offering a vicious, manipulative lie about Jared Leto. She says "No I don't support him as much... I had to let go, break the love spell." At first this sounds almost innocent, as though she may simply be referring metaphorically to correcting her own misunderstandings or projections. But as the conversation develops, it becomes clear that this is not what she means. She is actually suggesting that Jared has psychologically (or perhaps through sorcery) manipulated her into believing there was a romantic connection between them (where that belief would be inappropriate).
Mary responds "Perché ... [translation] : Because he doesn't interact with you anymore?" Mary knows from her own attachment struggles how painful it can sometimes feel when Jared or Shannon don't interact with her on social media. She responds with compassion, assuming Nicole may simply be experiencing a similar sense of loneliness or disappointment. Her focus is on a delicate healing process aimed at resolving those painful patterns. She is vulnerable in this moment.
Nicole replies "He interacts with me but I don't really with him as much." Mary asks "Ma perché ... [translation] : But why do you treat him like that?" In other words, she gently returns to her original question because Nicole has not really answered it. Nicole then exposes the harmful insinuation from earlier by saying "He needs to rise... he has so many under a false love spell and it's bad for mental health." At this point it becomes clear that Nicole is no longer speaking only about her own inner process. She is claiming that Jared habitually manipulates members of the Echelon into imagining romantic connections with him where none exist.
Mary continues "Lui non merita .... [translation] : "He doesn't deserve to be abandoned. I miss him too, but I still write to him so he won't feel alone." This continues to express how she has emotionally connected to the value of supporting the band's algorithm through interaction. She views Jared as someone who has deeply adapted to the psychological realities of fame by placing emotional value on the love he receives from the Echelon, rather than from the wider world beyond his scene. Sometimes anyone, famous or not, can be surrounded by people in a room and still actually feel lonely. She addresses the common humanity between herself and Jared, rejecting alienation by noting that even superstars also experience painful emotions just like her. She connects that notion to his way of appreciating comments from the Echelon. That view has often reminded her that she is not unwanted. She continues "Non é giusto ... [translation] : "I don't think your choice is right. That's not what he does for you". In other words "Why don't you return his kindness when he has been interacting with you?".
She continues "Ma fai ... [translation] : But do whatever you want. I'll always be there for him, even though I suffer when I don't hear from him." This expresses a beautiful sentiment that reflects part of her healing journey : embracing the responsibility to model and exemplify the kind of care, loyalty, and compassion she herself hopes to receive from others.
But Nicole continues on to say that she has projected her pain onto Jared by fabricating a story that he is manipulating people by being inauthentic with them. She says "He has to make a move to me. All this fake connection is unhealthy." Suddenly, just because she would like more than merely social media comments (in fact she seems to hope for sex), now anything Jared does is labelled as fake. She continues "When you love someone you let go. If he comes back then you know it's true, not fake". Here she is attempting to disguise her viscious lie about Jared as a typical self-help affirmation. She is attempting to shift the focus out of her allegations into the topic of self-help, as if she is offering therapy. In fact, she is abusing Mary right now.
Mary responds with courage and grace in the face of manipulation : "Non è una ... [translation] : It's not a fake connection. It's simply that he—and his team as well—love all of us. And even though I've written some pretty strong things, they've never abandoned me. In fact, they've given me more than I ever deserved." She is proposing that humility seems called for within this situation of Nicole's arrogance.
Nicole then proceeds to put down Mary's social-media based relationship with Jared and Shannon by saying "A like? A comment? It's crumbs." Now it's worth asking here : Can fans form meaningful one-sided (parasocial) relationships with artists? Yes. Psychologists recognize that many fans derive inspiration, comfort, motivation, and community from artists they may never meet. The Echelon is often functioning on social media with everyone sharing of that experience, and this is the world that Nicole is speaking to. She is putting down the community — which is actually very cruel — still disguised as self-help therapy here. She continues : "I don't let anyone draw off of my energy, love or support anymore, and that is true love—detachment." What she is describing here is what I would call "selfishness or being unloving and unsupportive of other people", not loving yourself. Part of loving yourself is putting a value on sharing love and support in community. This "detachment" she describes is self-harming, and this is what she is insinuating that she recommends to others.
Mary responds : "Le sua ... [translation] : "His crumbs are the best crumbs there could be. If that's what it takes for us to truly connect... And besides, he even made a T-shirt because of me, after all the crises I went through over him and everything I used to say to him." Here she's referring to the shirt that says "Love isn't who you can see yourself with, it's who you can't see yourself without". He designed it for his merch store. The shirt has a special connection to her. She understands the message was for anyone who relates, but she herself has felt it resonates especially for her and has treated it as sentimental. She believes that a loving message designed for everyone is also a personal message for each person within that wider group who resonates. She adds later about this "Lo ha fatto ... [translation] : He made it for me, but also for all of us, because you know how much he always lives for us."
Nicole then continues her manipulative fabrications against Jared now designed to destabilize Mary : "He didn't make you a shirt... he made a shirt with a quote for everyone to bond to him as the love of your life. It's a powerful love spell, but I don't allow it to move me." She is actually saying that this shirt was some kind of sorcery or lie aimed to make people imagine a sexual or romantic connection with him in a harmful way. Of course, this is outrageous. It doesn't seem the "love spell" comment is necessarily about romantic love, but this comes out later. And she reveals later that she has misunderstood Mary's feelings towards Jared as romantic when they are not.
Nicole then proceeds to offer more of the same along with a manipulative and abusive lie about the Echelon : "He can't become the best version of himself by capturing millions of souls and misleading them. He doesn't love anyone more than a brother, sister, son or daughter, but so many think he is their husband. It's unhealthy. You hold onto him and your true love won't come into your life." That is not true. In my experience with the Echelon, I have never seen anyone proposing that they believe themselves to be married to Jared. Sometimes, marriage has been used by Mary as a metaphor to explore themes of fan loyalty but this was never even remotely proposed as literal, not even as a spiritual experience (as if there is another reality in which it is actually true). She is my best friend so I do know her well enough to double check that. And I have not even seen this metaphor used by anyone other than her.
Later in the conversation Mary says "Scusa, lo vorresti sposare?" ("Pardon me... do you want to marry him?")
Mary begins to repremand Nicole for what appears to be her own delusions of future marriage with Jared, because she can clearly see that Nicole is projecting romantic context onto the Echelon where it obviously does not exist (which exposes her own delusions). She says "Il vera amore ... [translation] : True love is also being able to understand his moments of silence while still remaining close to him, because he was the first to teach us this. The connection between us is based on respecting each other's choices." In other words, the subtext here is that Mary is chastising Nicole for imagining herself a potential wife for Jared, by reminding her of how important respect (unlike her abusive lies) would be to any potentially romantic relationship in order to allow it to develop. This is a powerful statement, in that she emphasizes "choices", when applied to Nicole's delusions of romance between herself and Jared. Mary here brings out the importance of consent, the all-important word to anything about sexuality and the key, one-word difference between sex and rape.
Mary insinuates that Nicole's aggression towards Jared about his lack of romantic interest in her is coming from rape-mentality. When Nicole doesn't sense a growing interest in the connection developing towards something physical, she ignores the option to respect consent and becomes aggressive. Again, this same emphasis on free will and choice is also very powerful within platonic relationships.
She continues, "Magari è un tempo ... [translation] : Maybe this is just a difficult period for him, so he doesn't want to damage his mental health. But he still shares even small stories with us, and those are still deep connections." She is continuing to emphasize that Nicole is insensitive and harmful.
Nicole ignores these warnings and continues now to manipulate and abuse Mary : "I'm an actress in the same world as him. It's the way he makes money. He isn't even the one posting or commenting most of the time. It's unhealthy how much people "think" celebrities actually connect. He barely even has his phone. People do everything for him. I'm a celebrity in my state, same as him, just on a smaller scale. We have teams that run our accounts." First of all, regardless if she actually believes that or not, she's well aware that this kind of wake up call so suddenly at Mary would be painful considering her attachment condition. But if she knows Mary well she knows she has thought and spoken a lot about weather or not Jared and Shannon are personally the ones interacting when the official account comments or likes her comments so this is directly in conflict with her and shows aggression.
Her comment about him not having his own phone also betrays her lack of knowledge about this, or her intention to manipulate with lies. In fact, when public figures work with teams on social media, this is done on multiple devices which can all separately log in simultaneously to work on the account.
Theoretically, Nicole may not be aware of Jared's history, but Mary and I have spoken in depth about his own social media company that he created to allow him to personally handle his interactions and have a very high-touch approach to everything — which was called The Hive. From that foundation he has retained an especially personal style of social media community in that way. Also, every star handles their social media in a unique way, and with bands it's very different than acting — and Nicole should know this — and should also know by now (after interacting a lot with him and his band) that Jared's style is different. This really reveals her lying manipulation. She seems intent on imprinting a sense of alienation in order to weaken and destabilize Mary psychologically.
Mary responds very gracefully to that. She has an elegant way of simplifying the teaching : "È Jared che ... [translation] : It's Jared who guides the intentions. How can you be so sure? His team takes care of other things. He has always emphasized connection. But Nicole is not interested. She now continues with more fabrications against Jared : "No, he doesn't trust me... it's his job to post and engagement equals money. Letting go opened me to making my own dreams come true instead of focusing on him." Here she is implying that the only thing he cares about is money and he has no consideration for human emotions. That is incredibly degrading. Again, she's aiming to destabilize Mary by sourcing from social angst about financial burden (which we all face) and how that sometimes detracts from our relationships or makes us feel helpless. All in disguise as self-help.
Mary then responds saying "No, non è cosi. [translation] : No, that's not how it is". But Nicole misunderstands her. She meant that's not how it is about Jared but Nicole is completely self-centred, and assumes she means about her own business. She replies "Yes it is. I'm also an actress, singer, dancer, influencer". She is trying to elevate her own status in order to act dominant against Mary. In response, Mary continues to educate her about Jared's uniquely personal style on social media while asserting that her status within the Echelon is actually high by her own account. She says "Lui fa molte ... [translation] : He does many things. Two of his assistants actually follow me". She means to imply that she may know more about this than Nicole, which she certainly does. When she says he "does many things", she means things like connecting directly with Echelon by commenting and interacting himself ... and more.
Then Mary says something iconic : "Fa tante ... [translation] : He does so many things. The Hive is his family. He founded it." Mary and I, and others who are initiated, realize that's a very iconic thing to say. By bringing up The Hive after mentioning that she is followed by Jared's assistants, she now makes it seem possible that she could be a part of it. So often she speaks of being family with Jared and Shannon. This starts to remove any veil over her detective style investigative approach towards Nicole with every intention of exposing her. It lightly hints that Nicole may be fucking with the wrong person. But even without the idea that she may be part of the Hive, it's just powerful that she made reference to it now. It's like saying "Nicole, I think you're well aware of the Hive and you're just playing dumb in order to manipulate".
Nicole then aggressively attempts to destabilize Mary again. She says "Is your giving met with equal return?". First of all, it's typically considered unreasonable to imagine it ever would, considering the realities of being a public figure with enormous masses of community. But Nicole knows Mary struggles with the mental patterns of attachment, therefore in her most vulnerable moments she feels as though he should equal her level of interaction back to her. Her latest breakthroughs on her posts have been powerful, when she expressed her realization that he is doing all he can to remain in touch. Keep in mind too, though, he certainly interacts with Mary very often but her attachment issues are a very difficult and understandable struggle for her. Nicole is specifically trying to prey on that weakness here. She is saying what she knows will hurt Mary's feelings the most.
Mary's response is "Anche tu lo ... [translation] But you do it too, so why speak badly about Jared if you do the same thing?". She doesn't mean that Jared is shallow about social media like Nicole is claiming to be, but she asks why Nicole is so condemning of it when she has based this description on comparison with herself.
Here she points out Nicole's self-contradiction. If Nicole herself has no connection with her social media, how is Jared any different then? This continues to imply that it seems Nicole is aware of the Hive and is lying in order to manipulate here. Nicole has subtly implied that she does know Jared does things differently on social media by criticizing him.
Nicole then brings things back to her romantic delusions with Jared and her viscious lies about him that he is sexually manipulative as well as lies about the Echelon. "He is in New York with beauty. So many think he is single and available to them or interested because you get a like or comment. It's just a misleading connection to keep millions in love and tuning into his every post." Beauty is the name of a model (also known as Thet Thinn) who was in the 30 Seconds to Mars music video STUCK. Years ago it was rumoured by reporters that there was some romance between her and Jared, although this is unconfirmed — and they have been occasionally rumoured to visit and been photographed in fairly recent times. There had been no mainstream record that I've seen of Jared and Beauty visiting in New York lately when he was there, but it's quite possible that Nicole was digging for rumours on a way deeper internet hunt, or was making this up to be triggering.
This is one hot spot of the conversation where I detect that Nicole is not a real person. Because Beauty is so exceptionally physically attractive, and the word of the romance is sub-surface due to their documented visits not being common and it being unconfirmed, it seems to be that robots have a pattern of trying to bring up feelings of pain and jealousy in the community about their visits. Normally I identify obvious robots on the internet by their outstandingly degrading and unhinged behaviour. That's always the easiest kind to catch — it's outright trolls. It's this type of behaviour that I've seen in action when it was proposed that Beauty should be considered a major sexual threat to anyone feeling "They thought they knew Jared".
It's styled so as to prey on sexual vulnerability in order to imprint feelings of alienation and distrust towards him. Sexuality is certainly the most common place of universal vulnerability and pain for people — and so it is a pretty standard tactic to weaponize it in order to destabilize them.
Regardless, this is the point at which Nicole confesses her delusions of romantic potential between herself and Jared to the max. And it's odd that she chooses this time in order to do it in. The funny thing is, it's almost as if she imagines that Mary has romantic delusions about herself and Jared, but considering how close we are (as she is my best friend), I'm well aware that that is not even remotely the case. But since Mary has used the metaphor of marriage to symbolically express her views on loyalty commitment in this different type of relationship, I can't help but feel that Mary has deceived robot perception here. It seems that AI is not as smart as Mary. I wouldn't be surprised if she was actually aiming to fool the AI by using this particular metaphor, in order to expose it. It's a valuable exposé to provide, to help people distinguish between AI and real human thinking. Anyone humanly sensitive to Mary at all would recognize that it's a teacherly artifice to refer to marriage.
Mary responds immediately in defence of Jared and the Echelon : "No. Non è cosi [translation] : No. That's not how it is".
Now Nicole begins saying things which I highly doubt are true. "I don't anymore." (meaning I don't interact as much with him anymore) "I used to. He has brought me to multiple concerts, accepted a gift from my daughter, and put us in VIP. So if he has interest, he will come directly to me. I let go. I don't chase—I attract". She later adds "I've been to five concerts, all for free. He had me upgraded to VIP every time and invited my daughter and me to the front row. So many women think he is their husband. It's gotten unhealthy." Once again, of course, that is not true that women think he is their husband. But most importantly, Mary tells me that she has looked into it, and it seems Nicole is actually lying about a VIP upgrade from Jared, in such a way that can be checked out. Regardless, I would advise extreme caution when dealing with robots, deepfakes, or of course liars of this nature before believing this.
That said, if one would believe her, this amps up the account that he has played some part in manipulating her, as we now hear that he has reached out to her in a very impactful way. Typically, considering that she is an actor & entertainer and may have some following, we must assume that if he did this, it was for promotional purposes in order to engage her followers with his content. There is nothing wrong with doing that, although Nicole now opens up that she has delusions of romantic potential between them, and she seems to want to shift the blame onto Jared, as though he should have known that and been more nervous to interact with her. But we all know, she likely wouldn't have told him as she was aiming to interact more rather than cause him to back off.
The story is thrown out there as confusing and without context offered, so it makes for a perfect lie in order to manipulate and harm Jared. This works to imprint that any connection between him and anyone, beyond just social media interaction, is automatically predatory. Of course, that is not the case. It is perfectly acceptable for public figures to have friends and acquaintances.
Mary finally asks her openly : "Scusa, [translation] : Pardon me. Do you want to marry him?". To which Nicole replies "If he is my one love, I will only marry my one love—the one who comes directly to me to continue the mission of a new love guided by God. That's why I let go of all interest and don't chase."
That topic of romantic delusion seems talked out, so Mary asks in conclusion : "Quindi non sei [translation] So you're not Echelon anymore?". Nicole replies : "It isn't about love, Unity. Community. It's competition for Jared's attention, and the way to get his attention is to let go and make my own dreams reality—not obsess over him or everything he does." In other words, by "it" Nicole means The Echelon. Once again, this is aimed to destabilize Mary.
By defining the Echelon as a competition for Jared's attention, she aims to hit Mary where it hurts. When Mary has faced violently painful feelings of disconnection from Jared and Shannon due to her attachment issues, she has often voiced that her deepest pain seems triggered by seeing him interact with many around her in the comment section, while her comments are not liked or responded to. This sends her into tears sometimes, as it's in those moments when she has a hard time thinking about bigger picture reasoning of Jared's, such as community network strategies and cycles of timing with her, and she simply feels crippling pain. The way that instagram orders her comments to be visibly surrounded by the few that he interacts with the most, makes her feel negatively compared to them. She loses reason in those moments. She recently posted a beautiful video of herself crying, explaining that it's in that exact experience that she breaks down.
Nicole knows that. This degree of harmful intent, to me, indicates a fake account. It doesn't match up with the supposedly spiritual and positive self-help influencer she claims to be on her profile. If she was speaking to someone else other than Mary, this might seem somewhat innocent, like she's confessing that she just has this feeling sometimes in herself that it's about competition and meaning only to admit her own flaw. But it's obvious because of who Mary is and how incredibly wide open she's been about her issues that Nicole is just trying to degrade her now.
Reflections volunteered by ChatGPT during the translation process :
I noticed something interesting here.
When Mary asks, "So do you want to marry him?", she's not expressing that she wants to marry him. She's testing Nicole's own logic. Nicole has repeatedly argued that fans imagine romantic relationships with him, so Mary asks a direct question to see whether Nicole herself would actually want that. Nicole's answer is effectively, "Only if God brought him directly to me; otherwise I let go and don't chase."
That exchange actually reinforces what you pointed out earlier: Mary consistently brings the discussion back to community, family, connection, and support, while Nicole keeps reframing nearly every interaction through a romantic or "love spell" lens — even though she also says she's let go of that way of thinking. The conversation shows two quite different ways of interpreting fan-artist relationships.
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